God is Big Enough for Our Questions:” Candice Benbow on Faith, Feminism, and Lipstick

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Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Hey, y’all it’s Brittany. 

I grew up really loving church. I don’t know if that makes me weird, but I really did.  To be clear, I did not go to one of those stoic churches where you got to fight nodding off to sleep. I went to a historic, organ-playing, choir-singing, and Holy Ghost-filled Black Baptist church.

It was founded in St. Louis in 1846 as the second African church by 23 enslaved and free Black folks. Its second pastor was a spiritual advisor to Dred and Harriet Scott. By the time my dad was pastor and my mother was first lady—yes, that’s what you call a pastor’s wife—it was called Central Baptist Church, and it had a rich history of social justice, community impact, and spiritual leadership. Worship was vibrant, liberatory, soul-filled and very, very, very Black.

This was the place that raised me. They gave me my first choir solos and public speaking opportunities. This was where I built community and I learned how to lead. It was my home. And home is always a place of deep, deep affection; but for many, it can also be a place of pain. And for folks from all walks of life, church has been a place of hurt, judgment, and shame. 

Much of the dogma Christian folks, including the ones that Black liberation theologians use, can give Black women discomfort with our bodies, shame about our sexuality, or harmful perceptions about the roles that we are supposedly meant to play in society. As much as I love the Black church as an institution of historical importance and a station of personal impact, I also recognize the many ways I’ve had to unlearn etiologies that threatened to limit me.  

Things that had little to do with God and much to do with church doctrine. Now, mine was not a Christian conservative or Evangelical upbringing, but I can absolutely trace how the dogma of religion took over the Jesus of it all, leading to the spiteful, hateful policy we see coming from the right. God is love and what they’re doing, it ain’t that.

We are UNDISTRACTED.

On the show today, multi-genre theologian Candice Benbow.

Candice Benbow: Because I was trying to make this world more just and equitable, I believe my wrong will be counted right. And that’s the space that I want the church to be in. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: That’s coming up. But first it’s your untrending news. 

Cindi Leive: Hey folks, this is Cindy Leive. I’m part of the UNDISTRACTED team, and since Brittany is out on family leave, I am here with our untrending news. This week, in response to a deadly mass shooting that left dozens of people dead a government took firm action to save the lives of its citizens by cracking down on guns.

I know what you’re thinking: How did I miss that one? And no, sorry, Americans, that government was Canada’s. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced legislation that would tighten Canada’s already pretty strict gun control policies. If they’re approved, the measures are going to include a national campaign to buy back military-style, assault weapons and a ban on the sale and purchase of handguns.

Prime Minister Trudeau: Canadians all agree we need less gun violence. We cannot let the guns debate become so polarized that nothing gets done. We cannot let that happen in our country. 

Cindi Leive: All of this is in response to a 2020 shooting in Nova Scotia that left 22 people dead. And here’s a dark fact, the Nova Scotia shooting was the deadliest in Canadian history, but it wouldn’t rank in even the top five in the United States where we’ve had 231 mass shootings so far this year. And yet here in the U S on the heels of the murders in Buffalo and Uvalde, Texas, federal lawmakers are on recess.

That’s Congress speak for vacation, and it means they have yet to take action. Canada is not the only country that has made dramatic moves after seeing its people slaughtered. New Zealand did it. Norway did it. Australia did it. Speed matters here. There have been 18 shootings where multiple people were killed or injured in the one week since Uvalde alone. Eighteen shootings in one week. If this isn’t a work around the clock issue, nothing is. We have so many reasons to do this. We have zero reasons not to. There could be only one message to our lawmakers when they’re back from recess on Monday and that is: Catch up with the rest of the globe and do it fast.

Our next story is related and it’s a tough one. So please take care of yourself while you listen. It’s about a woman named Liana Hale. She’s 26. She’s Black, She lives in Kansas City. And last Friday, the police shot her five times, despite the fact that she had her hands in the air and told them she was pregnant.

Hale had been in a car at a Family Dollar store when police ordered her to get out. She did and she had her hands up, but according to witnesses, she told police she couldn’t comply with their order to get on the ground because she was pregnant. As one witness told the Kansas City Star, she did not pull a weapon on them. She did not even have a stick in her hand. 

Nonetheless, they shot her five times. Liana is now in the hospital with serious injuries and the police have yet to admit any wrongdoing, though as Mother Jones reminds us, that’s common in many cases. This case is a brutal reminder that despite the outrage, after the murders of Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and so many others two years ago, the police are practicing business as usual in too many places.

And the police’s violence toward Liana Hale stands in stark contrast to the way officers treated the white supremacist responsible for the bloodbath in Buffalo two weeks ago. They arrested him without a single shot and he was armed. 

Kimberlé Crenshaw, executive director of the African-American Policy Forum and a former guest on UNDISTRACTED put it best on Twitter: If mass murderers of Black people can be apprehended alive, why must Black people in traffic stops constantly fear for their lives?

We’re going to end on a happy note because the world needs joy right now. Last weekend, Marianne Oketch took home the title of sole survivor, meaning she won the reality show “Survivors” 42nd season out of 42. “Survivor” fans got to know Maryanne, a Canadian seminary student for her bubbly personality. And at only 24, Marianne’s also making TV history as the second Black woman ever to win survivor. The first one was 20 years ago. 

Maryanne Oketch: Oh my goodness. It feels amazing to know that I’m going to go and be representation for people who watch these shows. But I hope that not only the Black community is able to be uplifted, but more and more different communities, like marginalized communities, will be able to be uplifted.

Cindi Leive: Maryanne’s victory is part of a long overdue sea change in reality television, especially at CBS, which vowed in 2020 that its non-scripted shows would be 50% BIPOC. This season reflected those network changes and it didn’t shy away from public conversations about the way race has played into survivor dynamics and elimination decisions on the show.

And yeah, I know what you’re thinking, it’s only reality TV; but considering that reality television gave us an actual president, representation matters. Congratulations, Maryanne. If you run for office, you’ve got our vote

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Coming up theologian Candice Benbow on making mental health part of your faith walk, right after this short break.

And we are back. Now, I’ve been thinking a lot about faith lately. Like I said, it’s always been a part of my life. I’ll always be part of the pastor’s kid club, but lately it has really been a part of my life. Let’s just say, I’ve been talking to God about a whole lot. We are not running dry on conversation and faith continues to be a pretty important part of many Americans.

While the number of Americans who say they don’t have a religious affiliation has doubled since 2007, according to a study by the Pew Research Center, the majority of people in this country do still identify with their religion. We may not always talk about it, but a lot of people believe. And if you look beyond the borders of organized religion, the numbers get even higher: about a quarter of Americans say they’re quote, spiritual, but not religious.

And that is a record number. So my point is this: Spirituality, faith, religion, belief, these are important parts of a lot of people’s lives. Of public life. But in this country where religion has been hijacked by the right and where God and Jesus and holiness are used to justify cruelty and injustice, faith can get complicated.

So let’s uncomplicate it. My guest today is a theologian, activist, and intersectional feminist. Candace Benbow says her spiritual practice centers around re-imagining how faith can be a tool of liberation and transformation for Black women and girls. She is a writer and an essayist whose work appears not just in all the usual fancy divinity journals, but in Glamour, Essence, The Root and Shondaland.

And if you downloaded the “Lemonade Syllabus” of essential works made by Black women after Beyoncé released her incredible album of the same name, well, then you’ve read Candace’s work. And if you haven’t done that, then go download the “Lemonade Syllabus”. One of my favorite pieces of Candace’s writing is an essay she wrote for the me too. movement about reclaiming her faith after being sexually assaulted.

She wrote about lying in her car, afraid to go home. It would take time, she wrote, to realize that God was crying with me in the car. Woo, child! Candice’s new book is called Red Lip Theology: For Church Girls Who’ve Considered Tithing to the Beauty Supply Store When Sunday Morning Isn’t Enough. She says she wrote it because even though Black women are the most religious demographic in America, we’re not often the most prominent religious voices out there.

She wrote it because she wanted to claim faith while rejecting misogynoir and cruelty. Needless to say, I’ve been dying to talk to her. 

Candice, it is so good to see you. Thank you for joining me. 

Candice Benbow: Thank you for having me. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: So listen, Candice, for people who are not familiar with your work, I think a perfect way to introduce you is to talk about something you did when you were a graduate student studying theology at Duke Divinity School. You produced the now very famous list of more than 200 works that you called the “Lemonade Syllabus.” Shout out to our good sister, Beyoncé. Talk about the creation of that syllabus. Like, what’s on it? How did you get the idea for something?

Candice Benbow: Yeah, so we all were watching “Lemonade” and so many of us were talking about the Black feminist and womanist works that were present and how it resonated and how  “Lemonade” was in this continuum of work. And this sister hit me up in my inbox and she said, you guys keep talking about Black feminist works and womanist works that you see in  “Lemonade”.

What are they? And that was the first time that I realized that we were having a conversation about Black women that excluded Black women. And I was like, yeah, that’s not what this is supposed to be like. Sis created this beautiful literal cultural production that all of us are able to consume. There shouldn’t be a Black woman who is excluded from any part of the conversation regarding it.

And so I asked one of my homegirls. I said, do you think it would be corny if I did a Lemonade syllabus? 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: You always gotta get that check in.

Candice Benbow: You know? Cause you don’t want to be out here looking crazy. And so she was like, no, like do it. And I reached out really just to my social media community and to my sisters and was like, hey, can you give me like three works that you feel like align with “Lemonade.”

And then from them, other people started sending theirs. And the next thing I know it was trending. So, I actually had a conversation with Reverend Otis Moss III at Trinity in Chicago, and he was like, you should do something with this. Like, don’t let it just be, you know, this hashtag. And that’s how we actually produced the syllabus in digital download form.

I reached out to my Godbrother and was like, hey, can you help me do this? And he was like, yeah. And that is how we got “Lemonade Syllabus.” 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: You consider yourself a multi-genre theologian. What does that look like for you? Like, are you preaching? Are you teaching? Are you, like, getting mobbed at the grocery store with people’s just existential life questions? Like, what does that look like?

Candice Benbow: I am someone who in all of these different spaces tries to think theologically about how, um, we are in these spaces and what it means for our thriving and our interconnectivity. So whether that’s pop culture, whether that’s in education itself, like whether it’s in influencer culture, social media spaces. 

Like, what does it mean to have theological conversations of depth about some of the very things that people may ignore and think aren’t as, you know, weighty as they actually are. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Yeah. But so multi-genre, multi-platform, but not necessarily behind your own pulpit. ‘Cause I know you always laugh at the idea of pastoring your church. 

Candice Benbow: Oh, no. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: You’re like, that is not for me. It’s literally not your ministry. 

Candice Benbow: Exactly. It’s not. Like, it’s so funny because when people tell me that, I’m like, I like saying too much to pastor.

[Laughter]

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: She said that’s not the path.

Candice Benbow: I think that honestly, the kinds of conversations, the work that I get to do is so much broader than the church itself, that it gives me the opportunity to really think through what does it mean to have conversations about faith that are subversive and ways that pastors can and in ways that they often don’t.

And so I’m very clear that like, you know, pastoring, um um, that is not for your girl. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Well, as the daughter of a pastor and an ordained minister, that is a particular calling. So if that’s not the one, then be clear about it. 

Candice Benbow: Yeah. Very much so.

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Okay. So I want to get into Red Lip Theology. Obviously, Black women are at the center of your work. They’re the center of this book. The full name is Red Lip Theology: For Church Girls Who’ve Considered Tithing to the Beauty Supply Store When Sunday Morning Isn’t Enough. 

Now, obviously we know that this is a play Ntozake Shange’s famous choreo poem “For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide / When the Rainbow is Enuf.” But how did you get from that to this? Like how did beauty supply store get all in the mix?

Candice Benbow: The wild part is that no one has ever asked me that question, so I’m super excited.

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: I was like, I need to know how we got from there to here. 

Candice Benbow: Yes, so part of it, you know, I talk about sitting in church. The sermon was terrible, and I said I’m gonna go to Sephora. 

[Laughter] 

Candice Benbow: Literally got up. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: This is not a good use of my time. 

Candice Benbow: I’m not gonna sit here and listen to this. And it was so funny because at this particular time, the church that I was attending did offering after the sermon. So I had my money cued up for offering and I was like, well. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: I remember growing up and, you know, like before you had any money, you, it would be offering time and you stick your hand out to your mom and she would put a dollar in it and you go up there and put it in the plate

And now I’m thinking, well, what if I had collected all those dollars and, like, bought some lip gloss?

Candice Benbow: Girl.

[Laughter] 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: So what I love about the book is it really uses this lens of beauty rituals and all that they mean for us as Black women to talk about faith. What made you have that spark of imagination to say I’m going to weave beauty and theology and Black womanism together in this way?

Candice Benbow: Well, one, because that literally is how, they came together for me and then the other part was like, how am I going to have a conversation that’s exclusive to sisters like me, that they’re going to get? And I was like, we know foundation, we know skincare, we know contour and concealer. So, let me use this as a means and an entrance into our conversation with each other. And with us that works to give us the space to talk about faith and ourselves in a conversation that is really exclusive to us.  

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: I mean, you even brought that lens into the way the book is structured, right?

So, each chapter is a different step in the beauty routine in the regimen. So, the first chapter is “We Are Good Creation” and that’s the skincare part, right? That first layer. And it really just had me thinking about the fact that in some ways our beauty rituals are nearly as sacred as our faith rituals. 

Candice Benbow: Yes, they really are. And I was doing my skincare, like literally when I’m going somewhere and I’m putting on makeup. I’m playing Rihanna’s album. And one of my homegirls just finally told me, she was like, you do know, like, this is ritual for you? And I said, Yeah, it is. And so she said, what would it mean for you to be even more intentional about how you carve out the sacred space of this?

And so that really was when I was like, all right, well, what is my skincare? I was like, that is the bare bones foundation. I can’t run from my skin. Like it shows everything, you know, everything about me. Like I can’t run from my skin. And then I just started building with it. And then, you know, I started having affirmations of, you know, when I was putting on my eye makeup, like let everything I see today, you know, remind me of goodness and magic.

When I began to really honor the ritual, that was this practice, it was at a really difficult time in my life when I needed something that brought hope. And this really brought it in a way that allowed for so, so, so much generativity. That was really the main thing that I thought too was, if sisters don’t love anything else, we love God and we love looking good.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. You know, I’ve seen too often, it’s used in, like, sermons as this kind of like a punchline. But there’s nothing wrong with taking a moment for ourselves. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Yeah. I don’t know if this is the difficult time you’re referring to, but I’ve been so touched about how transparent and extensively you’ve written about your relationship with your mother, especially since her passing.

And you talk a lot about how your relationship with faith was really informed by her and her theology and her wisdom and the way she lived that. Tell us a little bit about her. What was she like? What did you learn from her faith walk, growing up?

Candice Benbow: Yeah, my mom was God to me. And I say that not be afiying her in a way that does not let her allow her to be human. But to say that my mom showed me unconditional love and care and nurturing and salvation, and saving my life over and over and over again and giving me opportunities to thrive and correcting me when, when I was wrong. And I think that that’s what parents should do.

My mom was saying that when she goes to heaven, she said, I know God’s going to ask me, what did you do with the gifts that I gave you? And she always said that the gift was me. And she said, parents should always see parenthood as a gift. She was like, you have been given this amazing opportunity to shepherd a life and it should humble you. It should motivate you. 

And I was so grateful to have her because even as I watched her like live into her own faith and feminism, even when we were like heated in the throws of like theological debate, she still gave me room to be me. And I did not until she left and until I had other conversations with adult children, I did not know how uncommon that is. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: I think your mother and my mother are kindred spirits in that way. I’m curious though, is there a moment when you said I have some divergent understandings of what this faith thing is when you were in conversation with your mother?

Candice Benbow: Yeah, it was really my twenties, definitely around sex, but definitely around like the inclusion of like, my mom had this very interesting thoughts around hell. Like, she did not believe that everybody that the church damn to hell was going there, but she also still believed that hell existed. And I did not believe that at all.

And so I was beginning to, like, reject hell. And I think really the universalism of my faith really begins in my life. What in, what? You know, like, girl, who are you and what have you done with my daughter, child? And so I remember very distinctively, we had a conversation, it started at our house and then we both went to my grandmother’s house in different cars and it continued there.

And I remember getting in my car and I just drove home. I remember she came outside to talk to me, to tell me to come back in the house and I kept driving. I was so mad. 

Girl, and you knew.

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: You knew what choice you were making. Yeah.

Candice Benbow: I was like, I’m gonna have to keep driving.  

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Show no fear. 

Candice Benbow: But I remember driving home and I was like, she just doesn’t get me.

Like she just. And I remember feeling very hopeless because while I was still trying to figure it out, I felt like my theological views would be the thing that pushed us apart. And when I had a conversation with her, she was like, girl..

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Piped down. Yeah. 

Candice Benbow:  I think that was also when I realized I was able to name the ways my anxiety takes me from like zero to a hundred, because I remember having a conversation with her and I was just like, I just felt like, you know, we were never going to be close. 

And that, like, the way I think about God and faith, like we were always going to be like these bitter rivals. And I’m like sitting at the table, like, crying and she was like, girl, take a nap because all that you’re doing out here is a lot. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: The dramatics. Stop the dramatics. So it’s this kind of transparency that I think have people chomping at the bit to, like, read your work, to engage with you because you are really transparent about these kinds of personal relationships, relationship dynamics with your family.

You also dive into, you know, dissecting parts of your romantic past, and those relationships. And I, I know that that kind of public vulnerability is really not easy. I’m curious, what did it take for you to get to a place of confidence in your sharing? Like how do you want this kind of radical transparency to impact your readers?

Candice Benbow: I realized that I could not have close proximity to whatever I was writing. I had a moment where I had to learn, okay,  you, you feel very called to share because people need to see grace, gracious accountability modeled. So even if you feel called to do that, there’s a way that you can do that, that still leaves you whole.

And so that means that you can’t share if you’re still going through it, right? And I had to make that promise to myself that, you know, I wouldn’t share or write anything that I haven’t had three sessions with my therapist. There has to be some emotional distance, so that I can look at that moment as objectively as I can to say, like, what is it that I can mine from this experience to encourage other people to do the same in their life?

You can’t shame me was something that I’ve already been freed from. And when the objective is to help get other people free, then I definitely am not at all invested in a certain kind of, of shame. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: One of the things you’ve also been really upfront about is your experience and really your healing journey, um, after surviving sexual assault.

And that is something that you and I unfortunately have in common as we do with a lot of people on this planet. You wrote this essay for the me too movement that I thought was particularly powerful in how you reflected on faith in this kind of traditionally practice sense, both helped you and came up short in terms of really supporting your mental health needs.

I’m thinking specifically about this quote, you said necessary to my survival was the rejection of dangerous theology, suggesting one can’t pray and worry. I did both all the time. As a victim of sexual assault, my safety had been compromised and I was fearful of everyone and everything around me. It was nonsensical to believe I could just pray away that fear.

How in the, in the day since, have you integrated your mental health practice in those rituals with your faith? ‘Cause so many people think they can never intersect. 

Candice Benbow: Yeah. It was always easier for me to think through them because of my mom and she would say, you need God and every qualified professional to be your best self.

And so I knew that it was okay, that you could navigate mental health, as well as be faithful and be Christian. And so you’re not even now, like, I recognize that stewarding my mental health is a part of honoring the temple. Right? And so there are moments where I have to be very clear that , like, when I’m not well, I am not the best that I can be. 

And some of that navigation of wellness is out of my hands. Right? So like the ways that, the ways that depression work, like a lot of this is chemistry and family, you know, family dynamics and heredity and like all, like, it’s not just situational. Right? And so I’ve had to learn how to be much more gracious and kind to myself that, like, there’s not something quote, unquote, wrong with me.

God made me. And before I knew that I was going to have anxiety, God knew it.  Before I knew that I would navigate depression, God knew it. And so how do I get the tools that I need? That allow me to be well and ask to lean into a space that reminds me that even with all of these things, I’m still a good creation. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Yeah. You, you told Glamour magazine that you want sisters to know that it is okay to make their faith their own.

That God is big enough for our questions, that it is okay to go on a journey of asking hard questions that we’ve been afraid to even ask ourselves. I’ll tell you that that is what Red Lip Theology has been doing for me and being that Black church girl who’s been trying to unlearn so much of what the institution, that rigidity that you talk about, um, has pushed me away from asking a lot of those questions of myself.

Are there questions in particular that you’re glad you’re finally unafraid to ask yourself? 

Candice Benbow: I’m glad that I finally moved to a space that gave myself permission to ask why, because why doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m going to get an answer, you know. I mean, I think about my mom’s passing. I don’t know the specific ins and outs.

She died unexpectedly, there was an asthma attack. The whys that God, you know, took her from me. God can never give me an answer that is sufficient. Right? Me asking why is emblematic of me just being like, this is just not fair and it hurts and I’m sad and I’m mad and I wish you hadn’t done that.

And I tell people all the time that now on this side of healing, while that is a question for me, when I get to  and I’m looking at God and I see my mama over God’s shoulder, I don’t care to ask that question no more, ‘cause I see my mama and I want to go get a hug. You know what I’m saying? But asking why gave me permission to explore that my feelings are valid.

That what I hope for my life mattered just as much as what is happening in my life matters and that I get the space to reconcile the two. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: You’re holding this mirror up to yourself, you’re helping us hold the mirror up to ourselves. You’re also really holding up the mirror to the church, right?

And I say that capital C as an institution, as a system, as a place of membership and doctrine and policy and money. And holding up that mirror requiring accountability from an institution where people’s identities are so deeply intertwined can be especially difficult. What do you want the church really to see about itself, meditate on and change, right?

I mean, there are some really clear, immediate examples of how Christian conservatives are attacking LGBTQIA folks. They’re attacking trans children. They’re attacking women when it comes to our own bodily autonomy, the bigotry, the transphobia, the prejudice. It is really quite tired. 

Candice Benbow: I really want the church to want to be on the side of God’s heart. And I think that being on the side of God’s heart means working to make this world more open and accepting and inclusive. I feel very much like we are deeply regressing and making those things very much less inclusive and that God’s love has become very exclusive.

And it’s just for these people, if they feel or believe a certain way, and that does not reflect the God I believe that we have. It doesn’t reflect the diversity of creation. We don’t have the capacity to suggest that we know all that we think we do. And what does that mean to release that kind of arrogance and say that I’m just going to let my heart be open.

And I kind of tend to the side that, you know, if I get to glory and I was wrong about a lot of stuff, then I was wrong. But because I was trying to make this world more just and equitable I believe my wrong will be counted right. 

And that’s the space that I want the church to be in. Not, not the painful exclusion, but, but a radical inclusion that makes everybody uncomfortable because we know that to be this inclusive means that we are walking completely outside of our own power, but we’re leaning into something else. 

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Well, that was most definitely a word from on high. And I think it’s the perfect place to close. Thank you for writing this book for being a field login of all the genres and for making sure that that is the world we’re building.

I really appreciate you. 

Candice Benbow: Thank you, friend.

Brittany Packnett Cunningham: Candace Benbow is an author, an educator and a theologian. Her book, Red Lip Theology is available everywhere.

Woo, my God. When Candace said that we have to stop feeling obligated to a certain kind of faith rigidity that actually keeps you sick, I felt that with everything in me. Dismissing that kind of rigidity individually is necessary to understanding our own worth, especially for marginalized folks. 

And shaking off that kind of rigidity at the systems level, well that’s the key to experiencing liberation here on earth and not just in heaven. That’s what it means to be a place after God’s own heart. 

You know, people often ask me how to respond to conservative Christians who seem to stand in the way of progress, my answer is always the same, I remind them to read the instruction manual. I’m not a progressive, despite being a Christian, I’m a progressive because of it. Because whether you are a person of faith or not, the guidebook is pretty clear.

And like in Micah 6:8: do justice, love mercy. Anything else is most certainly not what Jesus would do. 

Hey, that’s it for today, but never forward tomorrow.

 

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